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Buying a 382

Hi,
In the inspection phase of buying a 1980 382. Have a fair amount of open ocean sailing experience, although on a 55ft. ketch. Figured it was time to get back to sailing, but with something more easily handled by a couple. Intend to sail to the D.R. this winter and perhaps cross the Atlantic next May. Thought the 382 would be a good choice. Appreciate any advice you owners can give me.
 
As I'm sure you already know; The 382 is a good choice. The rig is very easy to handle. Sail area is well divided. The center of effort is low enough to give you good heavy weather stability. The hull and rudder are strong. The Morgan line is well built. The 38's are good sailors. You will move well on all points of sail. It is a tank tested hull. You will enjoy this boat.
Good Luck.
 
The 382, 383, and 384's are Ted Brewer designs built by Morgan with only aft cockpits. When Catalina Yachts took over Morgan the produced a Morgan 38 that had the center cockpit. Check the photo gallery under Catalina-Morgan 38 for a picture of "Adventress".
 
Get the boat - do some refit to get her up to speed and bring it on! Larry's words are so true.
I sailed my 382 to the Med and am heading home in a few weeks - Gib, Canaries, Antigua, Florida and Chesapeake - ETA mid April. I've been told to buy up but I can't. I love my 382 - buck for buck and bang for buck, I don't think there's much to compare out there. These are great boats. Period.
 
I am currently considering the purchase of a Morgan 38. I am an experienced coastal and trans- Atlantic sailor and I'm seeking a coastal and near offshore(Bermuda) boat at a resonable cost.
Specifically, I'm wondering about the differences in sailing of an earlier 382 vs. the 383 and 384 with the taller rig. I'm also wondering about tracking stability downwind with the small skeg rudder. I'd like a boat that would be stable in a blow downwind. Has anyone you know modified the rudder to a more modern eliptical one with a smaller skeg? This was done very successfully with a Pearson 40 of that era (a round bottom CB boat)
Finally does anyone in the Association have a boat for sale?

Rob C marksmandesign@yahoo.com
 
Rob C
in responce to your inquiry on rudder mods.
I have a 1978 382. We modified the rudder by adding boundry plates to the top and bottom edge. What use to require 10 degrees of rudder now only takes 4 to 6 degrees. The improvement backing down and in a following sea is remarkable. The info used is from a research project our company did in 1976 - 78 for commercial reasons. The results of the project are available free in the publication section at www.woodfreeman.com
michael freeman
 
You can sail the 382 fine without doing what Jim McIntyre did. They have gone all over the world. That said, they are a little cranky off the wind and are particularly a handfull if you are using flying sails in high winds, but you can usually deal with that by reducing sail area. Of course, the weather helm will be excessive if you are carrying too much sail and the Morgan will go just as fast, and more efficiently, if you reef down as the wind pipes up.
I also altered my rudder as Jim did, and I see little difference in sailing performance. If you you are serious about modifications, I would more seriously consider what owners did to Mahulia. (See photo gallery.)
Michael Freeman: I would be curious to know what "boundry plates" are? I will read your article, but if you can describe in detail what you did to the 382 rudder, we would all appreciate it.
 
I'm considering buying a 1980 M38, but have noticed that on the transom there is a crack on the center line. Broker said that it was due to the split back stay and was cosmetic. Is there something about the way the hull is built that would allow this to happen or is this really a case of abuse/trauma to the transom? Could the rig have been over tightened?

I've seen only one other M38 that didn't have the crack so don't know.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Madden
Seattle, WA
 
It could be serious, and it could also be a simple gel-coat crack. Which would not be uncommon on various areas of the 382. Ask a surveyor to take a look. You really have to see a crack to know.
 
Jim, I have a small crack at the top of the transom on the center line and it is cosmetic only. Look inside the lasserette to see if the woven glass is cracked or pulled apart. The gel coat a is thick at the top of transom and this could help create the cracking problem.

David
 
Jim
I just repaired a simular crack on the centerline of the transom of my 1978 382 "Dana". It was only on the surface gelcoat. The hull thickness at the transom is 3/4" or better and the crack was cosmetic only. It is probably is a stress crack like the ones that appear at stancion bases and hard radiuss.

Jim
 
There is no comparison between the two boats. The irwin you could not beat it windward with a maul (I've sailed one). It is really a motor sailer. Construction on all Irwins are a crap shoot - some are excellent and some just plain bad. However, it does have a lot of room and fair storage and would not make a bad liveaboard. It would be a good ICW/Bahama's boat. In my opinion if your want a boat of this type go for the Morgan OI 41 it is a much better boat at not much more money.

The Morgan 382 is a very good sailboat. It is relative easy to sail, stable, nice looking, and are built very well for the price and it makes a good liveaboard - I know I live one one with a significant other and we haven't killed each other yet. Storage is excellent for a boat of her size (Gaye and I are yet to fill all the lockers). In short I love the boat.

Fairwinds and Rum Drinks,
Vic C

 
This message is directed toward Michael Freeman.

I too would be interested in the details of the boundry plate modifications to your rudder (I read your article by the way)if you would not mind shareing it with us.

Paul Lockwood, with Omar sails had added what he calls "winglet" to the rudder of his boat with similar claims in improved performance. I'm guessing boundry plates and winglet act in the same maner?

Vic C.

PS - what autopilot do your use?
 
Victor,
The boundry plates/winglets prevent the boundry layer of lift from spilling off the top and bottom edge of the rudder. Each plate effectly doubles the geometric aspect ratio of the rudder. In following seas, the helm does not go alee..On the 382's that have it installed, turns require about 1/3 of what was reguired before..
The autopilot is a 500 series Manufactured by Metal Marine Pilot. It has a hydraulic cylinder attached to the quadrant. There is no hydraulic helm. The autopilot pump has special valving that allows the wheel to override the pilot with about a 35 lb pull on the rim of the wheel. The hydrualics may be disconnected with a simple turn of a 90 degree ball valve. The valve handle is next to the gusser pump in the cockpit, easy to get to.
The autopilot is also equipped with deck rail mounted windvane sensors that allow the pilot to steer to the aparent wind rather than a compass heading.
If you are interested in more details contact me during the day toll free 877 564 5902. or email at michael@woodfreeman.com
 
I too read Mr. Freeman's article and was unable to tell how the boundary plates were designed or attached. Moreover, I have added to my 382 rudder to make it look like that on a 384 and I am not sure there is room left to add anything else. that being said, I would love to find a way to improve the down wind steering on the 382 (short of the Mahulia rudder addition), since I consider down wind control to be the major flaw in the boat.
 
With the rudder modification that was done to Maluhia, I would say that both downwind and upwind control greatly increased. It is one of the best improvements I have made to the boat. Of course, it is only practical on a six foot draught vessel. Also, it is relatively inexpensive.
Jim
 
The rudder mods we suggest are simply a horizontal plate on the top edge and bottom edge of the rudder from the leading edge to the trailing edge. The front edge is rounded down to allow it to fit in to the fairing.

it is a piece of 3/8 thick stainless plate, we welded a flange down 2 inches on each side following the contour of the rudder foil. then the plate was 5200 cemented to the rudder, and carrage bolts through the rudder. I can provide sketch of the system for those interested..
michael@woodfreeman.com
michael freeman
 
Is the 382 a Off shore boat? One artical in Cruising World April 1998 put it with the very best i.e. Endurance, Hans Christian and the Shannon. In talking to people they look at me like I am nuts. Give me some proof.
 
While you cannot compare the craftmanship that went into more expensive boats, you can compare sailing properties and stability, in this regard the Morgan is just as capable as a Shanon or any other boat of that category.

Jose Santin
S.V. Siboney
 
We sail the Gulf of Mexico on a regular basis and have been very pleased with this boat as a cruiser and as an offshore racer in class. Jose is correct about joinery work etc. and the market prices relect the difference. For sailing ability, safety and hull quality I believe the 38x's are quality offshore vessels. Another nice thing about these boats is the fact that other sailors love the lines and speak well of them.

David
 
Pound for pound, it seems to me that the M-38 is one of the better designs out there for the money. I have a Pearson 30 and want to move up to the next stage boat and have been doing a lot of reading and comparing numbers. I keep coming back to M-38's. Go figure. I am very partial to Ted Brewer designs such as the Sabre 34 (horse of another color). He did such a wonderful job with the M-38's.

Other than the previous mentioned concerns about rudder size or their any other negative drawbacks? Have any of you out there in the fleet concerned about tank (fuel/H2O) size being too small? What about the accessabilty to the engine and reliability of the Perkins?

Todd
S/V Makena, P-30
TMStein13@netscape.net
 
Engine access / stuffing box access was one of my criteria when I was looking for a boat. Both are acceptable. You can actually lay your hands on most things. I had the 3QM30 yanmar and could get to most things without a major deal. The exception being the starter. It was a pain in the tail but otherwise I had few compliants.

Access is from the front and thru a pannel on the quarter berth side of the engine. I cut an extra access pannel ajacent to the high pressure fuel pump and that helped with bleeding the engine. Compared to a lot of boat of her era engine access is great.

More fuel would be nice but it has not been a drawback yet. Oconee holds a 100 gallons of water in tanks under the settees in the main cabin. My girlfirend and I can go for about 2 weeks including taking showers on the 100 gallons. If we were really cruising and using salt water for dishes, etc. then we could streach it a lot further.

I purchased my 382 about 5 years ago. Before her I owned a Ranger 29 for many years and raced against many a Person 30. My old Ranger and your Pearson are very similar in the way they sail. The one thing that suprised me about the Morgan was it goes up wind very well, as well as my old Ranger. She handles very different but she sails as well...no she sails better than the old Ranger. A friend of mine uses the word "Shippy" to describe how the Morgan handles.

I have been living aboard for 4 years now and can truely say my Morgran has been everything I hoped for and more in many respects. She is fairly well thought out from a mantience standpoint, she has plenty of storage (I still have not managed to fill up all her storage space), she looks good rowing away from her, and she don't sail bad.

The Morgan 382/3/4s are great boats for the money. If somebody gave me a Crealock 37 or Cabo Rico 38 or Island Packet 38 (all good cruising boats) I'd sell them so fast your head would swim, quit my job, add a few things to Oconee and take the other $100,000 and go cruising.

Yep. I like the boat.

Fairwinds and Rum Drinks,

Vic Copelan

PS- If you are in the Beaufort, NC area you are welcome to come aboard Oconee and crawl all over her.
 
Todd,
You're right, the M38 is the best buy, not only pound for pound, but overall.
All boats are compromises in design. Even if you were custom designing a million dollar yacht, you would have to give up something to gain something else.
If you want to cruise, weekend, and do some fun club day races the M38 is a super choice. If you want to cross oceans the M38 is still a good choice, because of how well she is built straight from the factory. There are some small modifactions that you would want to do before serious ocean sailing. I think that pretty much goes for almost any stock boat. But you are starting out with a solid fondation.
What you can count on is a trouble free, strong boat that will sail well on all points of sail. The boat will sail itself if trimmed properly. You can count on a 6 knot ETA when cruising.
For a two week cruise, the boat carries plenty of water and fuel. Storage is excellent. Comfort, when the wind starts pipping up is great. You won't get bashed around.
I can probably write about ten pages on how great this boat is, but I think you already know. To sum it up, let me tell you that my wife and I own Southerly since 1987, she is a 79. We cruise every summer between Western Long Island Sound and Maine. I can't think of another boat that I would rather do it in. We do a couple of club races during the season and we do well enough to take some silver home with us. What more can you ask for, comfort, speed, stability, dependable, good looking, and well balanced.
Larry
 
hear hear!
I can't agree more with what's been said. Having sailed my '78 382 to the Med and back, I can tell you she's all the boat you'll ever need. I never once felt the boat would falter even in 20+foot seas - I felt safe in my boat - spooked at times- the old addage the people will falter before the boat....
Water-shmawter...there's plenty. Fuel for long distance is questionable, but 90% of cruising boats have jugs on deck - so just do it, get over the quibbling and get sailing! You'll figure it out when you really are out there. Until then, get the Morgan, the best bang for the buck out there - and enjoy!
Of course we're biased - we're Morganeers, but we all felt the exact same way you do now - weeeelllll....I dunnooooo.... and we're telling you having made that decision one day...GO FOR IT, you won't be sorry.

Seriously - go for it. You won't be sorry. She really is a pleasure to sail - sweet spots are easily found.
Good luck.
 
Thank you for your generous and honest opinions of which I take great stock. As I read, I fond myself nodding in total accord. I have been vacillating over designs for the past 4-5 years, which has at times been obsessive. I sold my C&C 24 in Elizabeth City, NC this past Spring after moving up to Holland, MI for a tour of duty. Being fresh water challenged, I learned that Lake Michigan has awesome sailing venues. I found a beautiful M-38 on the hard in Holland and emotion/logic soon reached a peak. Unfortunely, someone beat me to the punch before convincing the Admiral. Nonetheless, at same locale I found a pristine '73 Pearson 30 that had my number. So for now I sail happy with wife & 3 kids and gain experience all the while keeping a weather eye for a freshwater M-38. I know they're out there.
When the USCG transfers us next tour, I plan to sell P-30 and obtain M-38 befor leaving freshwater.

Aloha!
Todd
P-30 Makena
 
I am debating between a C&C landfall 38 and an early 80's 382. I hear alot about blisterproblems on the 382 and was would like to hear personal accounts from owners. Speed is also of concern to me. I like the 382 larger displacment but don't want to sacrifice speed. Any other advice on taking a 382 to french polynisia would be appriciated,
 
What hull number 382? YOu can read reviews of the two boats in past issues of Practical Sailor or by logging onto Practical-Sailor.com and ordering their reviews of the two boats. I know from reading those reviews that they loved the Landfall. The C&C is a more extreme design--more IOR characteristics. I think it also has a balsa hull, which would need to be checked very carefully for water intrusion. Fin keel is also a little deeper and more vertical, I think, and perhaps more subject to damage in a grounding because of its sharp angles(although it is external lead, not encapsulated, which is a plus.) Any C&C 38 would be somewhat faster than the Morgan, but for cruising purposes, I am not sure how much the extra speed would really matter. Any trade wind cruising, a 382 is going to be going fast, too. Some Morgans have the construction flaw affecting the head bulkhead and the mast step. The C&C hull deck joint is surely stronger--although I have heard of no problems with Morgan's joint. In end, C&C was a higher end boat than the Morgan and, if sailing characteristics are acceptable, might be the preferable boat--depending on condition. Having said all that, this advice is worth what you paid for it. I know the Morgan and its pluses and minuses. I sort of assume the C&C is a little better boat, but don't really know that from personal experience.
 
M38-2 vs. C & C Landfall 38: For PHRF racing purposes US Sailing rates the M38-2 from 126 secs. per mile in So. Cal. to 150 in No. Cal. Other locales rate them as high in the mid 140's. The Landfall 38 is rated mostly around 132 to 144. In case you are not familiar with PHRF handicaps the higher the number the slower the boat. These handicaps are mostly based on racing experience. Therefore, throughout the country the Landfall 38 is rated slightly faster than the 38-2. Most of these ratings are taken from a number of sailing venues around the country, both ocean and freshwater. Jim Hudnut/Stella Maris (CM38)
 
Chris,
If there were a recognized perfect boat we would all own the same boat. Every boat is a series of compromises.
We own Southerly, a 1979 M382 #155 since 1987. There are no blisters. We have not had any problems at all. The M382 has treated us better than anyone should expect from any boat, from a design and building point of view. She is of excellent design and balance. She tracks so well that she will sail herself often. She is built very strong. Over the years we have entered several club and YRA races. I have a collection of silver cups on my hearth that will atest to the speed of the 382. I never owned a C&C, but they are a popular boat and I know many people that do own various models of C&C's. They are not without fault. I hear a lot of complaints about leaks. And a slew of other complaints about the construction intergrity. These are from people who currently own them. Again various models of C&C's. But they seem to be able to deal with what ever the problems are. No boat is perfect. boats are a lot like a woman. You love them, and when you discover some faults you learn to live with them.
As far as I'm concerned, if I wanted a larger boat, I would want a larger version of exactly what I have.
I don't think you could go wrong with either boat.
You are looking at two individual boats. Because of their past owners they are each in different condition. Because you are buying an older preowned boat I would suggest that you look more at the present condition of the individual boats you are considering.
I hope this helps you.
Larry
 
Well a PHRF of mid 140's is certainly acceptable. Being only twenty-two I may have alot to learn about the faults in women but I have seen that there are no perfect boats.(not below 60 thousand US) Thanks Larry. The Morgan 382 is a relativly new discovery for me. I was hoping I could get the lot of you to swollow your pride and say what bad things you can say about your beloved Morgan 382/383's. So far I've read mixed reviews of blisters and down wind handeling. I enjoy sanding and have read your suggestions on rudder improvments. If that's the worst news than I'm sold. What else should I be looking out for when I go shopping in a few months. One other question. Travellers. Why oh why would you put it in the cokpit of a cruising boat. Has anyone moved it the heck out of there? Is the deck strong enough if I use a backing plate?
Thanks again everyone, I saw your pictures. You have some beautiful boats.
 
Chris, If you look at the 383 and 384, same boat changed rig and rudder, you will see that the main sheet was moved to over the companion way. That is what I have but the reason for it being aft is that the helmsperson can trim it rather than another person. Besides, you often need the winch rather than just pulling it in. However the bimini can be much larger. Always the compromise.
Bert Willett
 
If you are single handing and suddenly get hit with a 30kt gust from a storm you will really appreciate having the traveler close at hand! If you have no problems about leaving the helm to adjust the main sheet then take the traveler out of the cockpit. Garhauer will sell you everything you need for half the price of all other hardware manufacturers. I bought a new Garhauer traveler but I left it in the cockpit, makes adjusting the traveler easy, even under full load.
 
I've taken a look at the 38-3 and I like the rig and rudder changes. And having a crew of four in their early twenties I think I will opt for the cabin top traveller. Anyway, I'm off to find a morgan at a local marina so I can get a better impression. If there is anything I should be looking out for on an initial inspection I'd love to hear about it. Everyone agrees that every boat has it's faults. What are they for the 38-2/38-2's?
Thanks again,
Chris,
 
They really don't have lots of flaws compared to other similar boats or similar price. And I say that as someone who owns one, but is not blinded by flaws. If I had more money, I think I would like to own something else. (How about a Peterson 44 or Brewer 44?)
They are well tempered boats and quite comfortable in a seaway, in general, with great accommodations (especially if you get the over-under single bunks in the forecastle) But . . .
For a cruising boat, they are a squirrely broad reaching and downwind, to my thinking. Others, not used to full keel boats, might not agree. The Landfall will be no better in that department and maybe even worse because of the more extreme ends. The autopilot I have (CPT) will sail the boat on a broad reach, but it works hard and the boat yaws quite a bit. Several boats use Monitor vanes successfully. (By the way, I was wrong about Landfall depth in my initial post. I was thinking of the typical racing 38. Landfall is 4'11"--same as most morgans.)
For long distance cruising, their limit of positive stability is close to the minimum of 120 degrees (about 125, according to US Sailing.) If I were in big seas, I would feel better in an old Rhodes or Alberg or S&S design with 140 degrees.
Morgan's hull and deck joint is screwed and bonded with some sort of sealant, not bolted. I think that is a flaw, but no one has ever complained about failures there. You could fix this with lots of work.
40 gallons of diesel is not enough for long distance cruising, as far as I am concerned, but there are several Morgans that have gone ocean cruising.
The rig is a 1970s design--big foretriangle, smallish main. that is accentuated on the 383/4. You can make the boat a cutter, but that takes some doing. A much more foregiving design for cruising would have more mainsail and less jib or genoa. For the inland cruising that I do, however, the rolling genoa is nice. I also carry a retractable solent stay for my working jib and storm jib.
The boat was laid up before vacuum bagging, kevlar, and vinylester resin. Pound for pound it is not as strong as newer boats--but frankly, I would much rather have a solid hull below the water line (the Morgan) than something that is balsa cored top to bottom (C&C, I think did that.)
The bulkheads are not tabbed to the cabin top and deck. There is debate about that, but I think such tabbing is far superior for ocean work or heavy weather work of any sort.
The anchor locker is either too small or not quite well designed for carrying lots of cruising anchor tackle--but it is almost big enough and you can carry extra rode below, down low where it belongs.
Some early Morgans had a construction flaw. Eliminated part way through the 382 run, recalled and repaired later, and no similar problems with the 383/4. It is not clear to me that the initial flaws were all completely repaired by the recall effort.
The mast, at least on my 382, is a telephone pole without any taper. That puts unnecessary weight aloft, but was cheap.
Deck fittings, including stantions, mostly do not have full backing plates, but you can, with some substantial work, fix that.
Cabin handrails are not through bolted, just screwed on. That can be fixed, again with work.
The forward cleats are probably inadequate for anchoring or sea anchoring in extreme conditions. I have not figured out what to do about that--and avoid extreme conditions. I don't think any tupperware boats without old fashioned through-deck bitts has adequate ground tackle attachment points.
In the first or second set of archives, you will find a discussion of "fatal flaws." What you will see is that one guy in San Francisco got a deeply flawed boat early in the production run and that the boats are not without some flaws. Don't buy that guy's boat.
If you hit a reef hard enough, you are going to hole your boat--but that is true no matter what tupperware boat you get. In a perfect world, all long distance cruisers would have radius bilge steel yachts.
 
I really, liked the C&C when I was boat shopping but it had one feature I did not like - the boat is a V-drive and the stuffing box difficult to get to. I like "touchin' things, espically things that can go wrong.

The second thing is the C&C does not have the storage of the Morgan.

I have sailed on a landfall 38 and like it a lot. It does sail better than the Morgan but the Morgan will suspirse you with her sailing ability. I did not give up much with my choice.

To sum up. I live aboard and after 5 going on 6 years love my Morgan more every day. To tell you the truth you will not go very wrong with either boat. They both will sail well and they both with take care of you.

When I was looking I narrowed my choices to 2 boats the Morgan 382,3,4 and the Tartan 37. I just kept looking until a good one of the 2 boats came up with a price I could afford. A good Morgan came around on the "juke box" first. I have never regretted my choice.

Fairwnds and Rum Drinks,

Vic C.

Vic C.
 
Having sailed across the pond twice in mine, the Med and the Caribbean from Antigua to Annapolis - all I can say to Vic's comments - "ditto"!

There's an enormous wealth of sailing experience here - I'd listen closely to suggestions.

Bang for the buck - go for the Morgan. For under $60k - you're getting a lot of boat, but as with any older boat, there will ll be work. Accept that and enjoy the boat! As a matter of fact, this boat gives you stuff to play with - you can do all kinds of mods.

Blisters shmisters...it's cosmetic. I've had under a dozen or so every 2 years to deal with. Pop and open them up. Let them dry a good bit and slap on some West - done. Next haul, if necessary, do a couple more. It's not a big deal. We're not talking Valiants here.

Good luck with your decision and happy sails!
Remember to sail to idyllic anchorages and awesome sunsets on the 4 corners of the earth with some gorgeous lady friend and ask her to hand you the 7/16th when you're doing a head stand in a locker! Makes for kinky sex too! ha!

Smooth sailing and fresh warm breezes.
Tony
 
Hello. I've read all the posts about the 38x's and come to the conclusion that Morgans seem to be made quite well considering the time period they were built. I'm considering a 1981 M382 that is kept in the caribbean now. Is there any major flaws I should be searching for when I examine her? Other people tell me that this one has been extremely well cared for, but we'll have to see for ourselves. I'm new to sailing and plan to retire soon and live aboard on the seas. I originally planned on buying a Hunter, but have not heard too much praise for them. Any advice will be well appreciated. What a wonderful web site this is. Thanks. Dave
 
David,
We all think highly of our boats. You have made a great choice.
As to the individule boat that you are looking at, my advise is look carefully. Being kept in the water 12 months a year, in a tropical climate takes a toll. In the interior, check for mildew, Look around in the cornor of the lockers and sniff the bilge. Feel the fabric on the cushions. Exterior wise, check the stitching, as well as the sail fabric. UV rays in the tropics will affect all of the canvas. Unlike a boat that is out of commission, and covered for a winter season, a tropical kept boat is subject to more wear and tear. Have a rigger check the standing and running rigging. Ware and tear might not be a problem if the prior owner, or owners have been very diligent. If the boat has been "well owned" everything should be fine. I would recommend that you find a neutral surveyor, not the one recommended by the broker, and explain your concerns and experience to him.
I hope this helps you, and good luck.
Larry
 
Thanks Larry, for your tips. I'll put them to good use. The more I read about them, the more I want one. I'll keep you posted on what happens. Dave.
 
I just found this site. I have owned a Morgan 382 for seven years and really do love her. I sailed her to the Southern Bahamas for five years in a row and spent the Winters in Georgetown with my wife.

I now find myself on land in Florida. My wife developed some health problems and now we need to sell the boat.

The contract with the Broker in Indiantown Marina in Indiantown FL. has expired so I can offer his commision as a discount to any buyer. The boat can be seen at http://www.bondmarine.com

lquayle@yahoo.com
 
I have problems with leaks in the cabin top of a382. I have removed and rebedded all tracks,cleats,ports,etc... but it still leaks.I now suspect the lockers adjacent the companionway. Anyone have leaks here? What did you do?
 
I am looking to move up from an Ericson 32 and am looking at a Morgan 37 ketch. The 3 cabin layout for my son (he is 14 and we want to do some extended cruising) is the selling point. Can anyone give me some advice? How will it compare to the 38. I have no experience with the Morgan line of sailboats.
 
Morgan 37 is new to me. there was a Morgan 46,a Scheel design. But the 37 might be the same as the West Indies 38, which was a Charley Morgan designed cruiser--sort of a smaller version of the Out Island 41, I think. You might check on that to see if you can learn something about the West Indies. There is also a general Morgan or Morgan 41 web site, I think. Check with them
 
Any one have any info. on the Morgan Majestic 39. I now have one that survived the storm Ivan. I need all the help we can get. Any linksor data(drawings) Thanks
 
Hi there
I currently own a Columbia 28 which is my first boat and after a year am ready to move up.
I have sailed since I was a kid in the Pacific NW and now reside in San Francisco.
I am looking at a pretty nice Morgan 382 with an asking price of 59k which I hope to get down with my tried and true negotiaing skills as a buyer for Williams-Sonoma.
Any tips/hints on what to look for? This is a 1987.
I hope to sail to the South Pacific within a couple of years.
Thanks! Patrick

ps...I have found over the past year that the Columbia Owners group has been invaluable...and perhaps I will be lucky enough to join this group should this deal go thru
 
Patrick,

Larry is right it can't be a 382-3-or 4 if it's 1987. Catalina had taken over the Morgan 38 by then. Take a look at the home page for this group it has a short history of the morgan 38s.

It could be a 1977 (first year made) but there were blessed few of them made that year. I have hull 4 and I haven't seen any "older sisters," they may be out there but I haven't seen them.

As to your original question, if it is a 382-3-4 and in good shape there is not much else to worry about. They put 2 engines in them - the yanmar 3Q<30 and the Perkins 4108 both are fine engines, although if I had a choice it would be the 4108 but I sure wouldn't let that be the make or brake for the sale.

I say again, my best guidance is, if you find one in good shape and well cared for go for it. You won't be unhappy with the boat as a fulltime curiser, liveaboard, or as a sailboat...and she is a sailboat first.

Fairwinds and Rum Drinks,

Vic
 
Another note, there where a number of un-finished hulls that were left when Morgan went under. These hulls, I believe there were about six, were sold to individuals/builders that completed them in different configurations and may have different completion dates.
Jim
 
If the vessel for sale is listed on Yachtworld it is a 382' listed as a 1978. It seems as though it might be a bit overpriced for the California market. I got mine - a 1977 five years ago and it was similarly equipped for under $50k.

Good luck
 
Paul,
Boat prices have gone up at least 20% in the past 5 years. I have noticed the asking price about 5 years ago was 49 to 59, but today I notice 59 to 69, with a few over that.
I can easily see where a 382 that is in NEW condition, and there are a few, and if it has been updated every year might fetch 65 from a quality minded buyer. There are not a lot of boats like that. Most of the boats are in what I would call nice condition for their age(or worse). If you buy a nice boat at a fair price and are willing to put in the money and time, you can turn a nice 382 into a YACHT. The basic fondation is there.
Larry
 
It takes a lot of money unless you can do it youself, and then it still costs a bunch! Everything that is labeled boating costs at least 50% more. Electronics are out of sight.
Jim
 
Jim,
You're right about the costs. And if you are looking at todays prices they have just scratched the surface of expensive. Our devalued dollar is going to show up a lot more ugly by the end of this year and into 2006.
Larry
 
How well does the Morgan 38 single-hand, particularly when it comes to docking. I have been sailing 23' boats on a club-lease basis in the upper Chesapeake, and I am looking to buy in the 32-38 range. The Morgan 38 is on my narrowing list; along with the Tartan 37, Bristol 35.5, and Ericson 38. The Morgan 38 seems to be a better value, it does not have a balsa-core hull like the Tartan, and, to me, it has an attractive exterior/interior. I will occasionally cruise with 3 other adults, but I will also do a lot of single-handed daysailing out of Havre de Grace, MD Brian Steffy
 
I am going to give you a simple answer. It's the truth and not a wiseguy shrugg off answer.
The Morgan handles well. It is a well designed boat. Most boats handle well. There are a few exceptions, but most boats will do what you direct them to do. If there is a problem it is with the skipper not the boat. You, the skipper, has to learn how to make each individule boat do what ever it is that you want it to do. It's not a car, you just can't steer it into place. You must learn the boat and how to handle it.
Larry
 
That was wrong, I meant, the longer the distance it takes to stop or slow down! Another senior moment.
Jim
 
Bsteffy
The Morgan 38 is a very easy boat to singlehand. With a simple autopilot, roller furling headsail, lazy jacks, a good deal of confidence and a lot of practice it's a pleasure to sail alone. Among the three models of the Brewer Morgans,(382,383,384), the 382 is slightly easier because the mainsheet traveller is located just in front of the helm and is within easy reach. The other models have the mainsail control on the cabintop requiring you to move away from the helm to adjust the sail. The jib sheet winches are positioned perfectly for the singlehander. Although larger selftailers will make that job much easier. Many of us on this board sail our Morgans without crew and without problems. The one thing to stress is the knowledge, confidence and practice required to singlehand any boat. Hope you choose the Morgan.
 
Does anyone have experience going to weather for days in the open ocean in a Morgan 38? Will it handle the stress and strain of prolonged beating in 15 to 20 knots? The kind of weather I would expect from Cabo to SF. How is it on board in those conditions? I once did it in a Mason 43 and after a week or so of getting used to the motion it wasn't a bad experience. The boat charged ahead like a stallion and there we no structural problems. I wouldn't expect the Morgan to shoulder the waves like the Mason but I wonder how well it would do in those conditions.

Great and informative site for current and prospective Morganeers! Thanks

 
Bsteffy: I agree with what all said about single handed sailing: I do it in the Morgan. It is a lot of boat and more work than a 23 footer, but you can set her up to sail single-handedly just fine. Now, about docking. You cannot expect to get any sail boat easily to a dock in difficult current or wind conditions. Doing it alone just makes it harder. And the bigger the boat, the harder it is. I used to do some pretty fancy stuff with a Newport 28, but I was younger then and, anyway, I could basically jump off and grab that boat and put it where I wanted. You can't do that with a 9 ton Morgan 382 and if you try, you end up in the water or with something or someone broken. So, don't even think about it unless you have no other option. If I come in to a dock alone now, and often when I am leaving, except in perfect conditions, I ask whomever is there: can you give me a hand? If there is more than one person, that is even better. And then I make sure I have all my lines ready, plenty of fenders, and I leave or enter slow and easy and hope my helper is not clumsy. Coming in, I always have a spring line ready at the midship cleat and that line goes over first in most cases. Once you have that hove in short and tied off, you have arrived, and you can adjust everything else later. And if you do all that right, even with help, the dock rats will still be impressed. Or, at a minimum, they will tell you how salty your 382 is.
 
John,
The Morgan does fine going to weather for long periods of time. It is the human component that suffers. A friend told me once, "Gentlemen don't go to weather!" Or better yet, "Nothing goes to weather like a 747!"
Jim
 
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