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Replacing the Hyde Stream Furler for modern headsail furler

john Gonzalez

john Gonzalez

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My 382 is still on stands undergoing refit. I have decided to replace the Hyde Stream Furler with a Hood SeaFurl 5. I can measure the forestay myself but I have to account for the length of the turnbuckle. Does anyone have the pin to pin measurement with a turnbuckle? Has anyone had any experience with the Seafurl 5?

Also, I will be buying and installing on the mast the Strong Track System to manage bringing down the mainsail better as I will be solo sailing. I looked into boom furlers and spoke with several of the company representatives who mkt them. Very complicated to have fitted and way too much $$$. As much as I want that system, I will tie at least $15k into it and still will need electric winch to operate it so, that's out. I've decided instead to use the Strong Track System as a easier way to raise and lower the mainsail with a sailpack. Has anyone tried this system?

Thanks.
 
Hi John - I recently installed a Tides Strong Track & I'm very impressed with it. Prior to installing it, I did a bunch of research (including folks on this forum), and everyone spoke very highly of the system with no dissenters. I'd highly recommend it.

I wouldn't install it 'solo', though. Much, much easier to install with a helper.

Sorry I don't have the measurements, but then again, we have a 384 & it looks like you have a 382. I think it would be different.

Good luck!
 
John
The Tides Strong Track is a two thumbs up. You will not regret installing it. As for sail control for the main, invest in a well designed set of lazy jacks. When sailing solo or short handed, just drop or reef the sail and the lazy jacks will capture and hold the sail until you have the time to do a proper furl. Naval Architect Dave Gerr has written an article that describes a proper set of lazy jacks.

Jim
 
John
I can't locate the article by Dave Gerr. I've uploaded a diagram of the lazy Jack system we installed which was based on Dave's design.

Jim
 

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I have the strong track and a home built lazy jack/sail cover. Strong track is great.
 
Tommy
Two cheek blocks are mounted on the mast, above the spreaders, about 32' above the gooseneck. There are port and stbd halyards that allow for adjustment of the jacks. The port halyard is rarely touched. The stbd halyard does most of the work. When the sail is dropped (and with the Tides Strong Track it comes down in a hurry) it falls completely into the jacks without blocking the helmsman's, Bonnie's, view. When reefing the jacks are made tight and the extra sail is held secure without the need for reef points to be tied. After we are anchored or on the mooring, we then make the sail neat and put on the sail cover. I'll send you a copy of the Lazy Jack diagram.

Jim
 
Jim,
My lazy jacks only go to the spreaders. I always thought they would be more effective if they were above the spreaders but I take mine down to raise the main. I would have to find a way to run the line down the mast around the spreaders. I'm interested in seeing your drawing.
Thanks
Tommy
 
WindRose my 384 i had to put a Strong track to make it easier for my crew (wife) to raise the sail. Easy to install and with lazy jacks that sail falls like a rock. I just installed a Anderson 28 two speed self tailing winch on the mast and wife is very happy. with ease she can raise the sail.
She does not want to take the wheel and have me do all the work. She loves the work out with the sails and the anchor windless . I'm lucky and i know it . !
 
Just sold my Hunter 28.5 this weekend. Great sailing boat but I struggled with bringing in the main. I would often find myself holding on to the mast more than pulling down the sail and don't want that with my Morgan. I once crawled back on all fours on Mobile Bay one day when Mother Nature decided to remind me whose boss. So thank you all for the big thumbs up on the Strong Track system. I'll be purchasing that. Jim, I will send you my address. Thanks for the offer and thanks for all the replies.

I have the mast on saw horses and will be rewiring it and will install Strong Track, with help, and the lazy jacks.
 
John,
You are welcome to join me for a sail on Lake Pontchartrain to get a feel for the Tides Strong Track. I installed mine, along with a stack pack and lazy jacks, about 5 years ago. I am there just about every Saturday.
Tommy
 
John
Congratulations on selling your old boat. It's no fun owning two boats. Having the mast down will make measuring and installing the Tides Strong Track easier. Before you start sliding the new track on, go over the existing track to make sure there are no burrs or snags that would hang up the process. They recommend only water as a lubricant for sliding on. I've printed out the lazy jack diagram, just waiting for an address. My email is saildana382@msn.com.

Jim
 
Tommy, I will take you up on your offer. I'm about an hour away from you. I will send you an email before when I can break away for an afternoon. Look will look forward to it. I have not sailed on a Morgan 38 so really could use a reality ck on sailing on a boat I am working hard to refit. I am sure that will motivate me more to get her to splash day. Can you send me your email address?

Jim, tried to send you my address, I guess that did not work. I will use your email to send address. Thanks much.

Also, Thanks Jose for your link to the system you like. I will study that as well.
 
Thanks Tommy, I will give you a call soon. By the way, my number is 228-897-5479. Call me if you are in Gulfport or Longbeach, if you want to see my 382 in progress. I would welcome your input.
 
jimcleary said:
John
I can't locate the article by Dave Gerr. I've uploaded a diagram of the lazy Jack system we installed which was based on Dave's design.

Jim
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Jim, here's the (two-part) article by Dave Gerr that I think you're referring to (from Cruising World, Jan-Feb 1987) (I apologize for the horrible file names)


"Simplify Your Sail Handling"
Part I:

Part II:
 

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Steve

Yes! Those are the articles. Only the first page of part one came thru. The rest of that article should have the dimensions of his lazy jack system.

Jim
 
jimcleary said:
Steve

Yes! Those are the articles. Only the first page of part one came thru. The rest of that article should have the dimensions of his lazy jack system.

Jim
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Jim, I re-posted the Part I pdf.

In the meantime, here's the link to Part I of the article (the issue of Cruising world is archived in Google Books).
You may have to use the vertical slider to scroll up a page or two in Google Books.

https://books.google.com/books?id=3q6b8evubTEC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=dave+gerr+part+I+cruising+world&source=bl&ots=Qe6JzpM2f-&sig=2SqQ9rEMT3uRMZVcJU0_HaR4GOA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiquaiS3_TSAhVM-2MKHbQXDxgQ6AEIMDAE#v=onepage&q=dave gerr part I cruising world&f=false


And here's the link to Part II of the article.

https://books.google.com/books?id=3q6b8evubTEC&pg=RA1-PA2&lpg=RA1-PA2&dq=dave+gerr+part+II+cruising+world&source=bl&ots=Qe6JzpNZ83&sig=t-Tsn8ah9jxbqFdDzSsErFpfog0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu77Lh4PTSAhVM3IMKHYaDBPsQ6AEIHDAB#v=onepage&q=dave gerr part II cruising world&f=false
 
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Steve

Thanks. That definitely is the article we used to install our lazy jack system. We used the four point system. It works like a charm. The loose sail never falls in the helms person's vision. When reefing, the excess sail is well held by the jacks with no need to tie or lace the reef points. When we first built the jacks, we had a mail with typical short battens. They were captured by the jacks nicely. Now we sail with a full batten main and the result is even better.

Jim
 
jimcleary said:
Steve

Thanks. That definitely is the article we used to install our lazy jack system. We used the four point system. It works like a charm. The loose sail never falls in the helms person's vision. When reefing, the excess sail is well held by the jacks with no need to tie or lace the reef points. When we first built the jacks, we had a mail with typical short battens. They were captured by the jacks nicely. Now we sail with a full batten main and the result is even better.

Jim
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Jim, also, the text in Fig. 2 and Fig. 2a of Part I is unreadable.
Here is that figures with (hopefully) readable text
 

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