PHRF Rating
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dave_a
Dave Ahlers
Any internet search I've done came up with a 138 phrf rating, so it all makes good sense to me. What doesn't.... is using a "max size" 170 genoa on the boat. 11' beyond the boom. Yikes! I'd need a drone to scout for leeward traffic.
Tacking that baby would be fun. I like my 110 !
Tacking that baby would be fun. I like my 110 !
dickkilroy
Richard Kilroy
In New England PHRF the 38-2 has a base rating of 144 last I checked. The O'Day 34 has the same base rating. The Catalina 38 is 114. To this you add/subtract for prop, modifications etc.
wild382
John
I think Alan Shed is probably the most knowledgeable person here about racing the Morgan and its specs. We race our 382 and have quite bit of fun. Lighten the boat, put some good sails and smooth bottom...easier said than done.
Depending on the area you race in, the 382 rates between a 144-150 PHRF generally...but like Alan once said he raced on a Morgan with a 197!
Yes we could win all day too.
I still am not sure, when you look at the specs, a 16 sa/dis ratio, a boat much heavier than the 16,000 pounds claimed, a 30' water line, a small skeg hung rudder...a fatter keel than other boats but good lift...you'd be hard pressed to actually get those numbers...but close in imho.
Depending on the area you race in, the 382 rates between a 144-150 PHRF generally...but like Alan once said he raced on a Morgan with a 197!
Yes we could win all day too.
I still am not sure, when you look at the specs, a 16 sa/dis ratio, a boat much heavier than the 16,000 pounds claimed, a 30' water line, a small skeg hung rudder...a fatter keel than other boats but good lift...you'd be hard pressed to actually get those numbers...but close in imho.
wild382
John
How did you do? And against what boats? What were their ratings?
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wild382
John
I still question these ratings on the Morgan...
138-150 PHRF
Not many being raced...
16,000lb plus boat
Skeg hung small rudder
Large modified keel
S/A of about 16
30 foot water line
The math just does not come out speed wise.
Sure in 20 plus knots not too bad but we still get smoked by a Pearson 31 flyer.
You can get killed in the tacks alone...our joke is don't tack if you can avoid it! You can go have a cup of coffee while waiting to come over.
Racing side by side a Tanzer 28, it was keeping up with us...our boat is pretty tricked out and we are sailing to her Polars that were well established in 1984.
We still managed 3rd in class over the 2015 Lake Champlain Championship Series...by just not being last and finishing in the top few.
138-150 PHRF
Not many being raced...
16,000lb plus boat
Skeg hung small rudder
Large modified keel
S/A of about 16
30 foot water line
The math just does not come out speed wise.
Sure in 20 plus knots not too bad but we still get smoked by a Pearson 31 flyer.
You can get killed in the tacks alone...our joke is don't tack if you can avoid it! You can go have a cup of coffee while waiting to come over.
Racing side by side a Tanzer 28, it was keeping up with us...our boat is pretty tricked out and we are sailing to her Polars that were well established in 1984.
We still managed 3rd in class over the 2015 Lake Champlain Championship Series...by just not being last and finishing in the top few.
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john english
Member
Northern California PHRF is 156
No distinction between 5-ft and 6-ft draft. In a conversation with Ted Brewer he had determined that the 6-ft draft was slower. I agreed but the rating committee is not too excited about changing ratings since I seemed to be the only 382 racing. Best races were Vallejo opener and the Windjammers to Half Moon bay. Both long down wind reaches. Best headsail is a 125.
No distinction between 5-ft and 6-ft draft. In a conversation with Ted Brewer he had determined that the 6-ft draft was slower. I agreed but the rating committee is not too excited about changing ratings since I seemed to be the only 382 racing. Best races were Vallejo opener and the Windjammers to Half Moon bay. Both long down wind reaches. Best headsail is a 125.
It was so much fun. Wind was good. I can't wait to it again. I am wanting to do an offshore race sometime down here, just for fun mainly. We'll see if that happens.
wild382
John
I don't and haven't seen many Morgan's competing regularly in recent years. I suspect most are cruisers. It was a fast boat for its time doing well in longer distance, fresh breeze, ocean races. The boats we see go faster than their ratings are a Pearson Flyer 31', a Tartan 34C and a few others. Still fun always learning something new even after 50 plus years! Making the Morgan go is fun...it sails great in rough water.
wild382
John
There is a great little calculator to give what would have maybe been a more current real world rating...Morgan's are not rated as "PHRF beaters" but those boats are out there. I found some early documents on the Pearson Flyer from the designer himself, Shaw, I think it was. Originally the Flyer 31' was designed as a OD. (One Design) to compete with J boats in a similar class. It just never got enough participants to make it into a large enough class as such. The early ratings were around 118-120-126 in PHRF. They sail away from a lot of boats bigger than them up to 40' or so. They get rated these days at around PHRF 141-144 or higher.
Our boats never got that "upwards adjustment" later on. The base rating for the 332-383-384 is 138-144. The base for the 382 is suppose to be 144 or so. The PHRF handicappers are reticent to change numbers once noted despite what's happening out on the water.
You will hear: sails, bottom, crew, how well sailed etc., all true but in straight line buoy to buoy races when challenging any comers to sail the boat to the given ratings there are no takers! Wonder why?
I offered upwards of between-$1,000 - $5,000 to the best sailors in our fleet to prove the 150 PHRF rating we have been assigned this last summer...no takers.
Read what theoretical numbers we actually might have currently had we had the good fortune of getting a rating update.
Plugin your model, the 382 for instance...we should get at least a base rating of 147 ...not counting that we use a 135% not a 150-170 the boat was rated with originally...you get some "add on" time for above the deck furler, etc. All of this said, rarely is a few seconds going to make the difference if you are 45-60 minutes behind the lead boat but it sure does when you are 2-4 minutes behind first place on corrected time.
http://phrfbeaters.com/ratings.php
Our boats never got that "upwards adjustment" later on. The base rating for the 332-383-384 is 138-144. The base for the 382 is suppose to be 144 or so. The PHRF handicappers are reticent to change numbers once noted despite what's happening out on the water.
You will hear: sails, bottom, crew, how well sailed etc., all true but in straight line buoy to buoy races when challenging any comers to sail the boat to the given ratings there are no takers! Wonder why?
I offered upwards of between-$1,000 - $5,000 to the best sailors in our fleet to prove the 150 PHRF rating we have been assigned this last summer...no takers.
Read what theoretical numbers we actually might have currently had we had the good fortune of getting a rating update.
Plugin your model, the 382 for instance...we should get at least a base rating of 147 ...not counting that we use a 135% not a 150-170 the boat was rated with originally...you get some "add on" time for above the deck furler, etc. All of this said, rarely is a few seconds going to make the difference if you are 45-60 minutes behind the lead boat but it sure does when you are 2-4 minutes behind first place on corrected time.
http://phrfbeaters.com/ratings.php
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john english
Member
Yup, we will never win in a tacking duel. However, a number of years ago a Hawaii based M382 won its division in the Pacific cup. The boat was "Ghost" and Lou Ichler was the owner. They do fave a reach.
wild382
John
Yes that was years ago...John English...do you have any links or more info on Lou or his boat?
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captpete
Member
Looking forward to launching our new for us 382 hull 49 in the next couple of weeks after it has been on the hard for about 7 years. I hope to occasionally race it in cruising class - Wednesday night and local club racing. I see the PHRF rating of base 144 will be 165 after applicable adjustments. By comparison I used to race my 1989 Pearson 39 which had a base rating of 120 adjusted to 147 for cruising class. Displacement on that was 17,500, beam of 12'5" and waterline of 31'3" so some similarities. She also had a long keel and centerboard with a pretty tall mast so she caught light air surprisingly well but was also tender. We were pretty competitive with even old dacron cruising sails but couldn't point like the deep keel boats. Long legs and spirited winds were when she did her best. After having spent some time now under the Morgan it seems there are some similarities of the underbody of these boats. I am anxious to see how she will sail.
(PS - really enjoying all the information on this site!)
(PS - really enjoying all the information on this site!)
wild382
John
What would you like to know?
Our Polars show beating in 8 knots true wind you can potentially reach 5 knots of boat speed with a 130% headsail.
In 20 knots 6.2 knots of boat speed beating.
With a modified full keel and skag hung rudder with a v shaped hull that's sits down in the water there is a lot of drag. But on a windy rough day you can compete with many boats. The Pearson is fast. Tartans, C & C's older Hunters, Beneteaus, Catalinas, Sabres are all faster in light air and have better acceleration. Tacking is costly. Spend your tacks wisely! I have scoured the Internet looking for similar venues and conditions as we have on Lake Champlain. I think unless you are going straight on a reach you will be hard pressed to reach the stated rating of a base of 138-144. Our adjusted rating is 150. 190 would be more accurate.
I don't know who the shmuck was that gave it that rating. All a ploy to sell more boats by making them look faster. Nonetheless, we enjoy racing it most of the time. Good starts, judicious steering, careful trim and easing...have fun! If you are in another fleet similar to your boat it will be fun. If you race against J boats, light boats, and the boats mentioned above in JAM class it will be tough to do well against good sailors. Their ratings are more favorable too.
Alan Shedd has a lot of experience racing the Morgan. He does race a Santana now instead.
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wild382
John
Who did your ratings for they race?
captpete
Member
It took us many years to get the Pearson going right and we were still learning every race. I expect it will be the same with the Morgan. I didn't get it for racing, but figure it will be fun to mess it up with some older Catalina 34 to 38's and some other other folks in the fleet we would be racing against. As long as we don't embarrass ourselves it should be lots of fun!
john english
Member
John,
Do you draw 5 or 6? My guestimate on our 6-ft would be 180/mile. Sometimes I think my old Hobie 16 tacked faster.
Do you draw 5 or 6? My guestimate on our 6-ft would be 180/mile. Sometimes I think my old Hobie 16 tacked faster.
wild382
John
It's the 5'4" draft. I think it was written up as being 5' but in reality when measuring in fresh water it's closer to 5'4" Maybe more. We race to "US Sailing" official average and they gave us a base of 138 instead of the 144. When you add above deck furler and 135% sail we get 150 PHRF. Alan Shedd has the same rating I think as well. I think unless someone else chimes in our Wild Oats us the most actively raced Morgan 382 on fresh water right now. We couldn't find anyone else currently racing.
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I'm not a huge racer, or club person, so pardon my not completely understanding of the question. My best stab at it would be that they were local PHRF ratings... Or the club that sponsored the race which was the North Florida Cruising Club or perhaps the First Coast Sailing Association.
Www.sailjax.com
wild382
John
If you go to this page:
http://www.yralis.org/base-ratings?...ue[min]=&field_rate_spin_base_dis_value[max]=
From your YRALIS PHRF rating is base 138
wild382
John
Sorry out that...double post...anyway...it's fun...you can become a better sailor. You learn better boat handling, how to sail more efficiently and some fun times most importantly.
wild382
John
Well...not new this year. We replaced our other new cruising sails a couple years ago. Ken F. From here bought them. We purchased these for racing/cruising here on Lake Champlain. Light weight laminate sails that look like classic sails but are great in light air...I should say better! We can sail in 2-3 knots now without total collapse of the headsail. The picture below is in 16-18 knots...normally we would reef at 15 but didn't get a chance in this race. Just my wife and I...just getting the headsail trimmed moments later
wild382
John
Anybody been racing your Morgan lately?
Have you raced in the last 5 years? 10 years?
When was the last time you "officially" raced your Morgan?
What official US Sailing sanctioned PHRF rating were you given?
It looks as if not enough Morgan's have been raced to establish a current up to date PHRF rating. After investigating with knowledgable long time designers from Brewer, the late Bill Crealock and Cuthberson, King, Bruce Farr and many others, here is what was found.
The first meeting of the Pacific Handicap Racing/Rating Fleet of Puget Sound (which was the original name) was in the bar at the Seattle Yacht Club on March 15, 1966. It was at that time that Tom Wheeler as President, Ralph Russell as Treasurer and Walt Little as Handicapper first introduced PHRF, promoted it and developed it in the Northwest with the encouragement and assistance of Bob Basham of Southern California PHRF.
Some years later, 1974 The Pacific Handicap Fleet was developed more and formed largely in Southern California. (I was there at that time.) it consisted of about one hundred or so boats who elected to try out the system against IOR. I was still racing IOR in those days on mostly on smaller boats where the Portsmouth Handivap was favored. I also raced an Ericson 34T occasionally but not well at all. I was young and didn't pay as much attention to sail trim as I did to girls!
Any away it seems there were two ways, as a designer/builder you could rate a boat:
1) Either give it a generous high PHRF rating, thus the boat on handicap did better against others on corrected time.
2) or Give it a lower number making it appear to a be a "wow! That must be a fast boat." Factor...that happened a lot. Pressure from builders manufacturers.
It was a kin to what we saw on cars as kids, looking at speedometers on a potential car purchase...if said to 180 mph!... it must be able to do that...WOW! if nothing else it looked good. If you couldn't go that fast we could always say "in the hands of a professional driver" it could. Yeah right...
Giving boats lower PHRF numbers than reality (or at least pushing the limits) was rampant in those very early days of PHRF. It helped sell a lot of boats right off the production line. Many of these boats were rarely raced in adequate numbers to really establish "around the buoy" races PHRF numbers but it helped sell them.
So back to one designs like J boats ...
It should be obvious to anyone who does the math that a J-27 vs a Morgan is no match although their ratings are on average only 24 seconds different. In reality the J24 is going to smoke the Morgan. If enough Morgan's were raced, according to some (off the record US Sailing PHRF officials), the PHRF ratings would possibly be more around 190 or so. Hope this gives a bit of insight into the hotly contested validity of PHRF. Now called Performance Handicapped Racing/Rating Fleet...no longer Pacific.
Have you raced in the last 5 years? 10 years?
When was the last time you "officially" raced your Morgan?
What official US Sailing sanctioned PHRF rating were you given?
It looks as if not enough Morgan's have been raced to establish a current up to date PHRF rating. After investigating with knowledgable long time designers from Brewer, the late Bill Crealock and Cuthberson, King, Bruce Farr and many others, here is what was found.
The first meeting of the Pacific Handicap Racing/Rating Fleet of Puget Sound (which was the original name) was in the bar at the Seattle Yacht Club on March 15, 1966. It was at that time that Tom Wheeler as President, Ralph Russell as Treasurer and Walt Little as Handicapper first introduced PHRF, promoted it and developed it in the Northwest with the encouragement and assistance of Bob Basham of Southern California PHRF.
Some years later, 1974 The Pacific Handicap Fleet was developed more and formed largely in Southern California. (I was there at that time.) it consisted of about one hundred or so boats who elected to try out the system against IOR. I was still racing IOR in those days on mostly on smaller boats where the Portsmouth Handivap was favored. I also raced an Ericson 34T occasionally but not well at all. I was young and didn't pay as much attention to sail trim as I did to girls!
Any away it seems there were two ways, as a designer/builder you could rate a boat:
1) Either give it a generous high PHRF rating, thus the boat on handicap did better against others on corrected time.
2) or Give it a lower number making it appear to a be a "wow! That must be a fast boat." Factor...that happened a lot. Pressure from builders manufacturers.
It was a kin to what we saw on cars as kids, looking at speedometers on a potential car purchase...if said to 180 mph!... it must be able to do that...WOW! if nothing else it looked good. If you couldn't go that fast we could always say "in the hands of a professional driver" it could. Yeah right...
Giving boats lower PHRF numbers than reality (or at least pushing the limits) was rampant in those very early days of PHRF. It helped sell a lot of boats right off the production line. Many of these boats were rarely raced in adequate numbers to really establish "around the buoy" races PHRF numbers but it helped sell them.
So back to one designs like J boats ...
It should be obvious to anyone who does the math that a J-27 vs a Morgan is no match although their ratings are on average only 24 seconds different. In reality the J24 is going to smoke the Morgan. If enough Morgan's were raced, according to some (off the record US Sailing PHRF officials), the PHRF ratings would possibly be more around 190 or so. Hope this gives a bit of insight into the hotly contested validity of PHRF. Now called Performance Handicapped Racing/Rating Fleet...no longer Pacific.
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wild382
John
Gold colored Kevlar can be seen in this picture above
Reaching at near maximum speed of our boats...8 knots.
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captpete
Member
I just got my PHRF New England certificate. Base rating of 144 adjusted to 165 cruising with 2 bladed fixed prop and no larger than 135% headsail on roller fulring. Going to give it a go this weekend in a local race. Interested to see how we do against a Catalina 36-2. And how she goes to weather compared to other boats.
So far my impressions of the boat compared to sailing my former Pearson 39-2 with centerboard is the boat is deceptively fast on a reach, is very forgiving (i.e. doesn't need lots of sail tweaking nor a lot of attention to the helm as she often can steer herself), seems heavier compared to the same displacement Pearson (with greater momentum coming up to a mooring), heels less, tacks like a full keel boat (boo hoo), and not so maneuverable under power (especially in reverse). But the key comparison is my wife likes sailing on it better (so far) as it is/seems more stable and upright and solid.
So far my impressions of the boat compared to sailing my former Pearson 39-2 with centerboard is the boat is deceptively fast on a reach, is very forgiving (i.e. doesn't need lots of sail tweaking nor a lot of attention to the helm as she often can steer herself), seems heavier compared to the same displacement Pearson (with greater momentum coming up to a mooring), heels less, tacks like a full keel boat (boo hoo), and not so maneuverable under power (especially in reverse). But the key comparison is my wife likes sailing on it better (so far) as it is/seems more stable and upright and solid.
wild382
John
If you would like to discuss...I would be happy to chat...email me a phone number
I might be able to offer a few tips...and good luck...good sailing!
The more of these old boats we can get sailing the better chance we have of getting a better more favorable PHRF rating...yours certainly is an improvement over our 150.
They went off a 138 base PHRF instead of 144 base of the 382. We also have a max prop feathering prop.
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wild382
John
Learning the "gears" for the given wind conditions is important. Don't try and point with other boats ..."sail your boat" to its lines 15-20 degrees heel generally. In light air 10 degrees...so much to know... It really is "chess on water"!
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Warren Holybee
Active Member
I would like to start racing my Morgan. I contacted the local club and was given the attached form. How do I begin to fill it out? Does someone here have one filled out I can reference? What about the drawings?
wild382
John
Hi Warren...great news! I would love to see more owners racing their boats even if only every once in a while. Some are probably not suited if they have a lot of extra stuff but it's still fun to make your boat sail as well as possible.
Are you going to be just racing in the Jib and Main (JAM) division?
What head sail do you have? 130-135-150? Etc.
Most of the info is on sailboat data but it's not always accurate. If you want I could help you over the phone fill it out. You can email me your email I'll email you back and I'll call you. I'm wondering how Capt Pete did today in Massachusetts? This is good news to me and my wife. Seems like we were the only ones racing these great old boats on a regular basis...inland anyway
wild382
John
Hey Capt Pete did you have a good time today in that race? It was great weather on Lake Champlain today
Warren Holybee
Active Member
I will PM you my email and phone number. I am free tomorrow if you want to call me. My Jib (new) is a 110. I'd like to measure it to confirm, but that is what the sailmaker said (what I ordered). My old headsail is a larger genoa, and I would definitely need to measure it. But in SF, the 110 seems about perfect. I plan just Jib and Main for now, but do have a spinnaker on board and would like to use that in the winter series. Might use the genoa in winter.
On a related topic. The pacific cup just completed. I would love love love to do that next year. I might be getting ahead of myself, but goals are important.
wild382
John
This is very exciting Warren. I'd love to follow other Morgan owners who race their boats. It would be good for all of us to compare notes. So far we are all in different venues. I have a friend here on Lake Champlain with a Morgan 382. (Dave Who posts here) he's set up more for cruising but sails well too. It's a pretty boat...Namaste.
I will give you a call today. I hope others will join in and give racing a try. You really learn how to handle the vessel in all conditions, sail much more efficiently, and it's fun because you sail in directions under conditions you might not regularly sail in...it also gives you some insight into how these and other boats were designed and why. It would be great to see some updated 2016-2017 PHRF Morgan's instead of 1998! Keep in mind you need to race a few seasons...you will be surprised at how much you can tweak and improve your sailing.
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captpete
Member
Well, we had our first race with our Morgan 382. About the fourth time we have had the main up. Winds had been blowing from NE for a good day and half then died but leaving a messy chop with some 2-4 footers on the nose that weren't fun on the windward leg, where we estimate wind 0-5. We didn't do great on the start and it was downhill from there on that leg and then on the next leg which was downwind in about 5 with the same sea state so the sails kept getting dumped. We got passed by a couple of boats. We tried broad reaching/jibing downwind then we tried wing and wing. She just wasn't wanting to go to fast. The last two legs were long tacks to windward but the seas had calmed and the wind had risen to 10. So she found her groove and sailed nicely. Able to pass the Sarah 32 that had passed us previously on the downwind leg - and wound up beating him by 10 minutes on corrected time (us 165, them 200 PHRF rating). And we passed a go fast C&C29 with crisp sails (ours are old and baggy).
So we didn't feel so bad after all in spite of a 7th out of 9 finish. And I think folks in the fleet will keep an eye on us and may have a level of respect for our efforts - the Sarah skipper tipped his hat to us.
She is awfully slow to tack - our has the smaller rudder which I am sure doesn't help the maneuvering. And of course this was our first time trying to sail to windward and downwind. But we learned a lot and look forward to mixing it up again and seeing how we do. So I echo John's sentiments how racing puts you in situations you may normally not sail in and you learn how to sail your boat better and faster. I encourage others to do it. I have always found the racing community fun and welcoming. And in my experience every thing I have ever done wrong or embarrassing has been done by even the best racers at some point!
wild382
John
This sounds very familiar ...based on those conditions you did well. The more you do you will find its the small things that add up (most of the time anyway) to getting across the line ...did anybody take pictures? Good effort!
Warren Holybee
Active Member
John,
What is your experience/advise on the best way to tack in the Morgan? What we did in the other boat I raced (a beneteau) was slowly turn up while the trimmers trimmed tight to keep the speed up, then turn a bit faster once we got into irons, but still not hard over. In light winds, the trimmer on the old working sheet would hold it an extra couple seconds to back wind the sail and pull the bow around. We would end the tack on a beam reach for more power and gradually trim and turn up as speed built. I'm thinking with the Morgan should we always backwind the job to turn faster? Or will a good breeze slow the boat more if we back wind?
What is your experience/advise on the best way to tack in the Morgan? What we did in the other boat I raced (a beneteau) was slowly turn up while the trimmers trimmed tight to keep the speed up, then turn a bit faster once we got into irons, but still not hard over. In light winds, the trimmer on the old working sheet would hold it an extra couple seconds to back wind the sail and pull the bow around. We would end the tack on a beam reach for more power and gradually trim and turn up as speed built. I'm thinking with the Morgan should we always backwind the job to turn faster? Or will a good breeze slow the boat more if we back wind?
wild382
John
That's a great question since tacking in the Morgan is definitely slower that most of the hosts out there you will be competing against. Sometimes you need to back wind the headsail just enough to help get it over in chop but don't over do it...it'll slow you down too much.
Secondly, we think in terms of gears...
First gear in a tack might be 5-10 degrees depending on the wind speed powering up through the sails gears 1rst, second, Third and so on as your boat speed increases...this is where "target boat speeds" are so valuable. Remember these hosts close hauled go about five knots SOG in eights knots of true wind and about 6.2 in 20 knots of true wind. So knowing that off the wind gives you a bit of speed lets you get back to your target speed ASAP ...
If you are over sheeting too early before reaching (climbing) towards your target speed you are going slower than you need to and losing time and distance.
Of course that's just our experience but it seems to be working for us. Our boats excel in a broad reach of 120-145 degrees. Our keels provide some good lift. But keep that bottom clean. People laugh at an eighth knot of increased boat speed ...affectionately known as "BS". A tenth of a knot I over 500 feet. Take that times 10 miles and you get the picture. Can't wait to see how you do.
captpete
Member
Here's a shot trying to make the start. At least we beat the Catalina 28 (PHRF 219) in the foreground by 14 minutes corrected margin on a nearly 5 mile course.
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wild382
John
That's a 8000 lb boat with a 23' water line...I think.
Looks like your main leech was a bit tight for the wind...a little hard to tell from this photo...you could always try the "when in doubt...let it out!" Strategy ...it seems to hold true more often than not. I hope you had fun and will do many more.
Warren Holybee
Active Member
So I asked my sailmaker about my sail dimensions and his response was that he is on the PHRF committee! I still need to fill out the form and make it official, but it sounds like a base of 150, +3 for the 110% jib, and +6 for the non-folding prop. 159 total.
wild382
John
Ha ha...that could be a good thing ...interesting they are going off a base of 150 instead of 138 or 144...here's what I have
Warren Holybee
Active Member
FWIW, here is the phrf list for Northern Ca.
wild382
John
Looks like there is already a 382 in there...
captpete
Member
We did another race this past weekend. A low key fun pursuit race where starts were staggered based on PHRF rating. The idea is everyone finishes at same time. Winds were 8-12+ with a windward leg where pointy boats made it on one tack, a messy slow downwind leg, and a tight reach to finish. We beat a Sarah 32, Sabre 32, Catalina 36-2, and a Hunter 38. We lost to a Seasprite 34 by 2 boat lengths. Another half mile or so and we would have had him - a guy I always have tried to beat but without much luck even when I raced my Pearson 39. We also lost to the go fast and lighter boats. Our results were helped by nailing the start. But we still had baggy old sails, outside only genoa tracks, small rudder, and slow tacks from hell. All that said I dont feel slighted or unfairly competing with my cruising rating of 165. More experience may change that....