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Maurice

New Member
Hello,

Our Morgan 384 has suffered a loss of her mast due to Hurricane Dorian. I have a few mast-related questions:

1) Is the mast the same dimensions on all Morgan 38's (38, 382, 383, 384) in terms of height, diameter, thru-deck size, mast step?
2) Where was the Morgan 384 mast was built?
3) Any suggestions of companies that build aluminum masts that would fit?

Thank you for any guidance. There are many decisions ahead but guidance on these questions would be most helpful.

Maurice
 

terry_thatcher

Terence Thatcher
383s and 384s have taller masts than 382s. Someone with a 384 can probably provide dimensions. 382 masts were built by Kenyon, which is now part of RigRite and I don't know if they still make spars. Everyone says they are terrible to deal with. ZSpars and I think US Spars still exist. A google search should find mast builders. If you are lucky, you will find one close to you. I have to assume shipping a 65 foot mast would be expensive.The extrusion may not be expensive, relatively, but once you start adding upper sheave box, winch pads, spreaders, etc, it gets more expensive. Good luck.
 

dave_a

Dave Ahlers
Maurice,
I have a couple suggestions.
Rig dimensions can be found here: https://www.mauriprosailing.com/us/category/5-Morgan.html
You might try speaking with Catalina / Morgan factory. While I'm sure they don't have a mast, they're pretty good with owner's groups and spare parts.
Catalina might be able to point you in the right direction with a supplier. They might also be able to provide some old records from Morgan that might help spec out an OEM style mast. Catalina does build boats in FL and they may have some of those legacy records from Morgan.
That said, the old mast is a design spec that is from the 70's. I have to believe there is a modern, lighter, perhaps tapered, bendable spare that might make a better sailboat out of your 384. It might take a marine architect/designer to create a mast spec from what is available today. Good luck.
 

Maurice

New Member
It will take a little time, but I certainly will let you know what I learn. I anticipate learning a lot in the process.
 

namwah

New Member
Hello,

Our Morgan 384 has suffered a loss of her mast due to Hurricane Dorian. I have a few mast-related questions:

1) Is the mast the same dimensions on all Morgan 38's (38, 382, 383, 384) in terms of height, diameter, thru-deck size, mast step?
2) Where was the Morgan 384 mast was built?
3) Any suggestions of companies that build aluminum masts that would fit?

Thank you for any guidance. There are many decisions ahead but guidance on these questions would be most helpful.

Maurice
Our Morgan 382 also lost her mast during Dorian we are at Marsh Harbour Boat Yard looking for a replacement to There must hundreds of them in Florida boat salvage yards
 

jnoble

John Noble
Our masts were not made by Kenyon, but the booms were. The masts were made by what evolved into Johnson Sails, St. Petersburg, Florida. They have continued to change, and are now Island Nautical Maine Center, https://islandnautical.com/. Jack Corey work for Johnson Sails for years after Morgan. I am not sure how much of the original company is still intact. I know of a Morgan 384 in Melbourne, Florida that was dismasted and got a new mast from Johnson Sails some years ago. It was a painted, thinner, and a double spreader rig.

I would also check with Sailing Services in Miami. Owner Brooks Jones has a Charlie Morgan 41. He is one of the largest sailboat riggers in the country, and national distributor from such suppliers as Stayloc. Tell him I sent you.
 

dashner

George Dashner
I replaced the mast on my 384 about 5 years ago after original was damaged. Recommend you check out Selden as they built my mast. The mast they built for me looks like it was “off the rack” with an additional few feet riveted on the bottom. Mast fits through existing mast collar on deck even though it has a bit different profile. It has two spreaders and accommodated existing boom. Main sail slides much better with newer style sail track, accommodates all wiring and came with new bottom plate which fit. I am very satisfied with the new mast.
 

Maurice

New Member
Thank you again to all who have provided information to assist with my installing a new mast on our Morgan 384. At last, I have renewed efforts on the project following a two-year hiatus.

I am looking at a mast from US Spars, but I do not have a couple of important measurements. First, the mast height. If anyone happens to have the height of the mast from step to top of mast, I would welcome this measurement. Also if you happen to have the leech length of the mainsail, again I would welcome this measurement. I appreciate the support!

Maurice
 

dave_a

Dave Ahlers
Maurice, what you are looking for may be on this site. Go out to forums main page. Scroll down to "background" and click.
You see where our webmaster friend Mark Pearson posted a 383 owners manual. Go to page 98 and it has mast dimensions on it.
I tried copying the page but it wouldn't paste.
Good luck,
Dave
 

Maurice

New Member
Maurice, what you are looking for may be on this site. Go out to forums main page. Scroll down to "background" and click.
You see where our webmaster friend Mark Pearson posted a 383 owners manual. Go to page 98 and it has mast dimensions on it.
I tried copying the page but it wouldn't paste.
Good luck,
Dave
Hello Dave,

Thank you for the lead and for the specific directions to the material. A big thanks to Mark Pearson for his posting as well. This will prove very helpful.

Take care,
Maurice
 

dave_a

Dave Ahlers
Best I could do was deliver it here
Hello Dave,

Thank you for the lead and for the specific directions to the material. A big thanks to Mark Pearson for his posting as well. This will prove very helpful.

Take care,
Maurice

Maurice, when Morgan changed from the 382 to the 383/84 they did a lot of copy & paste of the owner's manual.
Make sure that you check that the dimensions. Ensure that it is not an erroneous copy of the 382 dimensions.
Mauri Pro Sailing (St Pete,FL) had an online rigging dimension for JIPE. Knowing a 382 mast length and adding the additional 383/84 length would get you very close to the dimension you are looking for. If you want exact you'll have to measure a real one.

But...a big but - you will likely be buying a "modern section" mast. Not the old semi indestructable lamp post Morgan used way back when. All New shrouds, spreaders, backstay& furler? Why not talk to a marine architect, have him spec up what you need. Maybe add some performance to the boat (if possible) using the existing chainplates, backstay and forestay points? Obviously that all needs to be thoroughly inspected prior for corrosion/cracks/rot.
Good luck
 

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Maurice

New Member
Thank you so much for the advisement. I especially appreciate the guidance that the owner's manual doesn’t necessarily have exact measurements - an assumption that may have been a costly error.

I anticipate a new mast will not be the old “lamp post”, but rather a lighter version with all new standing rigging. If perchance, anyone knows of an old 383/384 mast (or out-of-service boat), I would welcome finding such a mast.

Thanks again for the ideas and direction.
 

terry_thatcher

Terence Thatcher
I would love to have a new tapered mast with two sets of spreaders for my 382. Might have to alter the cap shroud chainplate somehow. Just think about the increased righting arm without all that weight up high. But, I also still wish Santa Claus were real. George Dashner: Do you have to alter the chainplates to handle the second set of spreaders or did you just run one cap shroud past both spreaders?
 

Maurice

New Member
Hello Terry,

I am not sure of the chainplate architecture on the 382 vs 384, but I thought it might be of interest that one of my quotes (US Spars) for the 384 shows double spreaders, but the ability to use the existing chainplates. I don't have a drawing, but I had specifically asked the question around using existing chainplates with the double spreader arrangement.

Hope this helps,

Maurice
 

dashner

George Dashner
Referencing my previous post of replacing my mast with one manufactured by Selden, I can confirm that original chain plates did not have to be adjusted or moved on my 384.
 

Maurice

New Member
Referencing my previous post of replacing my mast with one manufactured by Selden, I can confirm that original chain plates did not have to be adjusted or moved on my 384.
Sure appreciate your note, George. I am currently reviewing the Selden option and knowing that it fit through the deck and that no adjustments were needed at the chain plates is very helpful. In keeping with your decision, I will be exploring keeping the existing boom.
 

dashner

George Dashner
Sorry, my Selden mast replacement was done about 8 years ago so I no longer have the records on hand. Replacement was an insurance job and included a number of other items. I do remember thinking that mast was reasonably priced but then new standing and running rigging, electrical (running lights etc) and cost of professional rigger ran the cost up more.
It also took awhile to find an aluminium mast as many companies had moved on to carbon fibre which was quite pricey.
It is nice to go sailing and not think about rig failure.
 

Maurice

New Member
Hello Terry,

The price range between a mast alone and a mast with all the “fixins” is significant. When I first looked at the price of mast (alone), I thought it was a real deal. However, such items as a mast step, a deck collar, standing rigging, boom, vang, furler, lights, cleats and optional running rigging rapidly move the price upward.

For a bare mast one is looking at as little as $10-$13,000 USD. For a full package, one is looking at $25-$30,000 USD installed. A growing wrinkle is that if one buys only the mast then there is the necessary cost of custom fitting. For example, I would like to use my existing boom, but the cost of ensuring both vang and gooseneck fit properly becomes another cost and consideration.

I hope this is helpful,
Maurice
 

Tony Aragon

New Member
Maurice,

I have a 1983 384 (hull # 35) ready to cruise in New Orleans that I will be putting in the market next month for $45K. It might be an option for you to try to buy a whole boat and sell it by parts. I believe that the Perkins 4108 (200hrs after overall) + equipment and hull might bring a return if you are willing to take the time and manage the work.

Anyway, good luck on your search.

Tony
 

Maurice

New Member
Hello Tony,

Thank you for your offer. Unfortunately, I live a long ways away from my boat and also a long ways away from New Orleans. Owning two boats, both at a great distance, and trying to part one out would prove more than we want to undertake. As well, your boat sounds too nice to be selling for parts.

Wishing you well in your sale next month. It appears you've chosen a good time to be on the market.

Maurice
 
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