Mystery hose at scupper manifold

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  1. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    Hello, i am getting to know the boat quite well now and she has had some secrets heretofore that i am slowly but surely becoming aware of and resolving(!).

    The latest is this hose appearing next to instrument cluster. I have since traced it back thru the sail locker and back to the scupper pvc manifold (before it empties into the torpedo tube).

    Yea, it is simple, it is reinforced clear hose, no big deal. But what was it used for originally and assuming it had a pump on the other end, where was the pump and what make was it?
     
  2. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    trying to engineer uploading an actual photo of the mystery hose.
     
  3. paragon

    paragon Alan & Cheryl Shedd

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    Any chance it's the icebox drain?
     
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    dave_a Dave Ahlers

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    Like Alan's boat, I have a 1/2" (reinforced) hose connected to a hand pump on the reefer bulkhead. Goes thru the cockpit laz to the torpedo tube. It could have escaped its clamps and wound up near the instruments.
    Dave
     
  5. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    Thanks Alan and Dave, this hose is about 1" maybe larger. Will get off this ipad and go to my pc to upload a pic of the end at the instrument cluster and the end at the manifold.

    For some reason i cannot figure out how to upload pics from ipad but pc is no problem.
     
  6. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    here is pic of hose coming in upper right behind inst cluster; hose running along on top of battery charger in sail locker, and then the hose enters the tall scupper manifold pipe just forward of the aft lazerette bulkhead
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  7. mattfahey

    mattfahey Matt Fahey

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    I'm pretty sure Alan nailed it... It'sthe original icebox drain hose.
     
  8. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    Wow, ok, then that means it had a pump, and he refers to a manual pump. What brand/type of pump did they have and where to mount it? My refrigerator/ice box has been lined with an aftermarket insulation inside the icebox that has a silver, foil look on the surface you see inside the icebox. I have not pulled it up to see where the drain is for the box. It seems like a large hose to drain it but i guess if you use ice in there to aid keeping food cold you're going to get water.
     
  9. mattfahey

    mattfahey Matt Fahey

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    John -

    The OEM pump was a small brass thing with a black handle, located underneath the battery charger box inside the port lazarette. The idea was that when the ice melted, you could stick your hand into the lazarette through the garbage access door, and pump out the icebox water manually. Given that the pump had a diameter of 1" and was about 6" long, it would have taken quite a bit of time and energy to suck out all the melted ice from a frozen block. And since the insulation of the OEM icebox was a joke, it meant you'd be doing this every other day at least.

    I took out the joke of a pump and installed an electric Whale gusher pump with strainer that can be turned on and off with a switch, mounted on a small platform where the battery charger used to be (I replaced the old school battery charger for an "intelligent" charger when I swapped out the lead batts for AGM batts).

    The drain in the icebox is at the bottom at the lowest point, which, if you're facing aft and looking down into the icebox, is in the left corner closest to you.

    One other thought about this mystery hose... My icebox hose is not 1", but like Dave's, is about 1/2" or 3/4", and is reinforced, and not clear - looks more like a garden hose. Perhaps this mystery hose you have was a disconnected secondary bilge pump? Looking at the second picture you posted, the retaining strap for the hose appears newer than the strap above it. Definitely odd, b/c the end feeds into the torpedo tube, and looks like it's been there forever. But of all the OEM hose I had throughout the boat, none of it was ever of the clear reinforced variety, which would lead me to believe that either 1) you have a later model (I'm a 38-2, hull# 67, built in '78 or '79), or 2) the hose was installed by a PO for an undetermined reason, then later partially dis-assembled, perhaps b/c it was interfering with the engine??
     
  10. royaltern

    royaltern Bert Willett

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    I also feel that your hose in an ice box hose. Mine is connected to a hand operated whale gusher pump like the Hand bilge pump at the stern of the cockpit. The pump is mounted inside the engine compartment on the wall by the ice box. open engine compartment a few good strokes and it is pumped. no problem.
     
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    Don't want to kidnap thread, but is that the original ferro-resonant battery charger?
     
  12. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    Yes it is the original.

    Any advice or recommendations to swap it for?
     
  13. dave_a

    dave_a Dave Ahlers

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    I like my old Xantrex Truecharge 40.
    It has brought batteries back from the dead. It's in my M38 now.
    And it weighs a tiny fraction of that old green monster!
    Dave
     
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    maluhia Jim Ball

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    Most new battery chargers/inverters are much better at keeping batteries charged. In addition, never discharge your batts below 50% of the total bank capacity before topping off.
    Jim
     
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    paragon Alan & Cheryl Shedd

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    Our icebox pump is smaller and mounted with a t-handle that passes thru the bulkhead just above the 120V outlet above the icebox. It allows you to pump out the box without opening a comparment. However, I've seen this type of installation in photos on Yachtworld - looks like it has similar hose and placement to John
    s photo.
    -Alan
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    paragon Alan & Cheryl Shedd

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    Additional clarification: This is a photo of a Morgan 383 for sale on Yachtworld, not our boat.
    It shows the larger icebox pump like Bert described.
    Some other aspects of this "engine room" could use improvement - don't care for water heater hoses routed in front of alternator or made-up elbow between water pump and heat exchanger.
    I frequently look at the photos on the Yachworld site to see how other Morgans are set-up.
    -Alan
     
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    dave_a Dave Ahlers

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    John - I was up at my boat yesterday taking advantage of the warm up. (I removed the winches to bring home and service). Another 1 hour job that took all day!

    The icebox drain pump on my boat is a Perko/ITT/Jabsco brass bodied hand pump. There was no model number that I could see. It was essentially a hand operated oil change/fuel/antifreeze rated pump.

    The handle passes through the bulkhead, the pump body (and hoses) is in the lazerette.

    Go to ebay # 330483297336 very similar.
     
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    tfrere Thomas McNulty

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    After reading this thread, I was interested to see if my refrigerator originally had a drain in it. However, the lower section is filled with insulation. I have a refrigeration unit installed but sometimes I'd rather use it as an ice box to save the amps on weekend trips. Can anyone take a photo of their drain location in the box?
    Thanks
     
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    dave_a Dave Ahlers

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    Thomas, no pic available but the drain exits the box at the aft corner low point(engine side). The wife and I can't recall if the fitting is on the bottom or if it comes in at the side. But its at that lower aft corner.
     
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    tfrere Thomas McNulty

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    Thanks Dave
     
  21. schlepper

    schlepper John m. Harrison

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    Fortunately i was busy sailing this weekend so i did not delve into the icebox drain issue but i do believe my setup was/is like the photo above just that i am missing the manual pump and lower fitting. Plumbing-wise, i need to fix this and the method of pumping out the shower and my a/c condensate drain hose. We just installed a/c and heater, was part of the prenuptial i agreed to with the wife before i bought the boat.

    But sailing this weekend was indeed awesome, even for this novice!
     
  22. royaltern

    royaltern Bert Willett

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    My Ice box does not have a drain. There is a hose which reaches down to the bottom at the lowest point, forward, inboard. It exits in the side by the engine compartment and goes to the hand pump. See picture in Alan's post.
     
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    guiny Tom Prior

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    In the photo posted by Alan, the two hoses from the top of the engine running in front of the alternator go to the water heater heat exchanger. Which hose is the coolant supply to the water heater and which is the return? I am replacing my water heater and want to make sure it’s connected properly.
     

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    I agree with Jose. If its a feroresonant charger, that system has been discreditied so many times that it wouldnt even make a good boat anchor.
     
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    I don't think there is a distinction as to which direction, it is just a flow through heat exchanger inside the water heater. But that may depend on the brand and model of your water heater.
     

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