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rene_m

Rene Marin
I have a few questions for you guys that have been around longer in the Morgan circles. I've watched your projects and spoken to other owners and have found some strange things about my Morgan. She is a 382 built in 79. I have two fresh water tanks both 150 gal one under each bunk in the salon. I have not seen this in anyone else's Morgan. I also have a very tall mast that does not look like any other Morgan i have ever seen? It makes finding sails difficult as i recently bought a spinnaker only to find out its 8-10 off the deck when deployed. " just became a blooper i guess".
So my question is... factory mods or someone has gone through a lot of trouble.
 

bwilliams

Marvin (Bill) Williams
Apparently one of the options offered was a second water tank. My 382 (#259) has water tanks under both of the port and starboard bunks. 50 gallon Stbd. and 40 gal port. I've read on this site that some boats have a second water tank in one of the v berths.
 

svpilgrim

Jeff Lovett
Pilgrim (1979 / Hull#115) has what believe to be the original, factory installed plastic tanks under both port and starboard salon seats. I recall the listing for the boat stating they are each 55G (110G total capacity.) I have not tested the capacity of either tank.

150G on each side sounds too large a capacity for the size of the space under the seats. 150G = 20 cubic feet. If the seats are roughly 7 feet long, 2 feet wide, then the depth would need to nearly 1-1/2 feet for the full width of the seat to equal 20 cubic feet. I'm guessing that the shape of the tanks is trapezoidal due to the curvature of the hull which would make it even less likely a 150G tank would fit.

Rene, Is your rig a single or double spreader? What is the cross sectional shape of the extrusion?
 

bluesbyrd

Chris Langton
Stargazer (1978 / #30) has two 50 Gal water tanks: one under the port settee and one under the starboard settee.

C
 

dave_a

Dave Ahlers
Rene, what Jeff said. My 383 has a 50 gal starboard setee tank & a 40 gal in the V-berth. I think there was a port tank option in 382's.

There were two different mast heights & boom lengths in the 38X series. Could you have the later "tall rig"?
382 height of deck - ISP: 45.9 / 13.98 / boom E: 14.5 / 4.41
383/4 - " ISP: 49.9 / 15.2 / " E: 13.0 / 3.95
 

dickkilroy

Richard Kilroy
Rene: I question Dave A on the 38-2. My original sail plan drawings show P at 40.5 ft. I at 46.0 ft. and E at 14.5 ft. 46.5 ft. is luff on genoa. memory also says stick is 50 ft. 6 inch high from waterline. I don't have 38-3 or 38-4 dimensions. Sounds like your mast may be a replacement. Original is single spreader and a definite telephone pole like structure. Don't know where your boat is, or was, but if raced in light air area, that may be the case.

Dick
 

dickkilroy

Richard Kilroy
Rene: Sorry forgot this, original specs on water tanks on 38-2 were 55 gal. starboard 40 port if port tank was ordered. There have been water tank cracks on these boats, you could have a replacement tank but as Jeff said, no way 150 gal.

Dick
 

dave_a

Dave Ahlers
Dick - Specs are from Mauri-Pro website - here's another set from Sailrite. Both pretty much identical and to your 382 specs (+/- .1")
382 - I dimension 46' boom 14.5'
383/4 - " 50' " 13'

So Rene - what do you have? have a picture of your vessel?
 

rene_m

Rene Marin
Pilgrim (1979 / Hull#115) has what believe to be the original, factory installed plastic tanks under both port and starboard salon seats. I recall the listing for the boat stating they are each 55G (110G total capacity.) I have not tested the capacity of either tank.

150G on each side sounds too large a capacity for the size of the space under the seats. 150G = 20 cubic feet. If the seats are roughly 7 feet long, 2 feet wide, then the depth would need to nearly 1-1/2 feet for the full width of the seat to equal 20 cubic feet. I'm guessing that the shape of the tanks is trapezoidal due to the curvature of the hull which would make it even less likely a 150G tank would fit.

Rene, Is your rig a single or double spreader? What is the cross sectional shape of the extrusion?
You make good points . The tanks cant be any larger than 50 gal though my survey says otherwise. They are mounted under both port and starboard settee. The mast is a white painted semi oval shape except its flat on both port and starboard sides all the way up. Hence where 4 winches are mounted. i have two spreaders. Being that i have a spinnaker off of another Morgan 38 and it is way to short to hit the deck " or anywhere even close" . And i have two other Morgan 38s next to me one being David Smith the difference is striking how much taller my rig is.
 

tfrere

Thomas McNulty
Rene,
Perhaps you have a 383/4 mast and boom on a 382. Run a tape measure up your mast to the masthead. The P dimension on a 382 is 40.5' and a 383/4 is 42.5' according to sailboatdata.com. The P dimension is the masthead to the boom. I'm not sure if the boom on the 383/4 is higher off the cabintop because the total mast height is 4' longer than the 382 and P is only 2' Longer.

The boom on a 382 is 14.5' and on a 383/4 it is 13'.
 

svpilgrim

Jeff Lovett
Don't think it Rene has a 383/4 mast b/c those are single spreader rigs.

Pilgrim was re-rigged by the previous owner (PO) in 2002. She now has a double spreader, Isomat mast that matches the height of the 383/4 rig. Unfortunately the PO did not replace the boom at the same time.
 

rene_m

Rene Marin
Yeah i ve had 4 " Morgan people" at the boat this weekend all said the same thing... Nope, not a Morgan mast. I know this ship got her butt kicked 10 years ago... i guess she got a new mast then?
 

Lukas Svrcek

New Member
So Im trying to figure out if I have the original plastic water tanks under each bunk. I took a picture of the inside. Not sure if there is any way to tell if these are any good. Anyone have experience with these tanks ?
I was able to take this pic by opening the access plate in the tank.
 

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buckfd

Frank Buck
This is Aldebaran's 41 season. I have the original tanks under each berth and I have not had any problems with them at all. I have seen on this forum some issues that other boats had with cracks, but I have not experienced any issues.
 
So Im trying to figure out if I have the original plastic water tanks under each bunk. I took a picture of the inside. Not sure if there is any way to tell if these are any good. Anyone have experience with these tanks ?
I was able to take this pic by opening the access plate in the tank.
They are polyethylene and yours is quite clean. They can be repaired (literally hot air welded) should they spring a leak. I've had both my tanks out, not a big deal. I keep the port tank empty and the starboard full to balance the boat. The boats tend to list to port because of weight of the galley and head.
 

rickdowe2

Richard Dowe
John I find I do the same. The first tank I take water out of is the port because the boat will list to the port if taken from the STBD tank.
If you need to weld the tanks they are made from LDPE. I had to weld mine and tried for several days with HPDE filler until I called the company that made them and was corrected as to the material used.
 
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