Haulin and checking seacocks / considering painting

Discussion in 'Main Morgan 38 Sailboat Forum' started by Jay Gholami, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. Jay Gholami

    Jay Gholami New Member

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    Hi all,

    Taking Vixen to a yard in a couple of weeks to get a Beta 38 installed (ordered last week and due to arrive 22nd Feb). Whilst we’re at the yard, she’s going to get hauled so we’ll be giving her a clean and checking all the seacocks. None have been used for years so they’re long overdue a once over.

    Me and Lauren would like to repaint her in a light grey (above waterline) and dark grey (below waterline). A friend and fellow sailor here in Bermuda has given us some advice and explained the different types of paint. Based on this info and the fact we’re going to do the work ourselves, we are thinking 1-part paint above the waterline and using rollers and a paintbrush to finish.

    Any advice would be great,
    - any suggestions on what else we should do whilst she’s hauled?
    - any work we should do whilst the old engine is out and engine bay empty? Repaint and sound proof I guess?
    - I had a read on the forum regarding the torpedo tubes as ours are shot (currently held together with some 1inch pipe / pipe clamps). Anyone know an easy way to swap these out with something?
    - what should we be looking for when checking over the seacocks? At what point, do these need replacing entirely?
    - will a handheld sander followed by 2 coats of primer be sufficient prep? Some videos online show deep sanding on blisters then filling with epoxy.
    - we plan on flying the paint over as everything’s expensive on Island, any retailers in the US people suggest / brands?
    - how much paint should we be using, I’ve read bottom paint is 3 gal / 2 coats on another thread? I’m assuming this is antifouling paint below waterline only?
    - I can probably give about 5 or 6 days and Lauren doesn’t work so will be full time working on Vixen for a week or so, anyone done a repaint / know how long it takes?

    Appreciate there is a lot of queries here. Any advice, warnings, suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,
    Jay and Lauren
     
  2. terry_thatcher

    terry_thatcher Terence Thatcher

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    Did you just buy the boat? Did it used to be Dick and Judy Kilroy's boat?
    First thought, this is more than a week's work. Good Luck. On the torpedo tube, that itself is a big job. they were PVC with some sort of goop to hold them in place. Can't glass over PVC. And they are hard to access, even with no engine. I would suggest eliminating the tube altogether, but that requires new through hulls of some sort. If you try to repair/replace them, I would go with Fiberglass tubing of the right size, glassed to the hull on the inside. But, as I say, the tube is hard to access and it scared my boat yard away from the project. No one part paint rolled and brushed will look as good or last as long as two part sprayed. But a friend used EasyPoxy and it looks very good. But it was applied professionally. I would urge you to consider trying to restore the gelcoat with buffing and waxing. My gel coat after 40 years still holds a shine when waxed. Do you have blisters above the waterline? Those below, if deep, need time or heat dry once you remove them. And the Morgan hull is not very thick in many areas, so if you have deep blisters, you will need to build back some laminate. Seacocks, if proper bronze Groco, for instance, will last almost forever. Morgan did not install them correctly, though I admit I have only fixed the mounting on a couple of mine. That is a time consuming job, as well. Good description of methods on Compass Marine how-to site.
     
  3. Jay Gholami

    Jay Gholami New Member

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    Purchased the boat in September - it’s not Dick and Judy Kilroy’s, just another Morgan called Vixen (more info on one of my posts in the Pub forum).

    To be a little more specific about what we plan on achieving and what timescales, we’re not doing the engine ourselves. The plan is to have the boat out for a few weeks (I’ll be working so will only have mornings / lunch / evenings / weekends, my partner does not work but realistically won’t be getting up to much without me - although she’ll beg to differ). I’ve been told 5/6 days for a prep and repaint should be pretty easy, especially with two pairs of hands, interesting to hear you disagree.

    Thanks for the advice regarding seacocks, I’ll check the material / brand. Also, I’ve never fibre glassed, so it’s good to know I can’t fibre to PVC. If im honest, i was considering it... I’m sure this has been debated before, so apologies if I’m repeating previous discussions - but what’s wrong with fresh pipe, pipe clamps and 5200 around a PVC funnel. Appreciate this looks ugly, it’s our current solution on both deck drains. But is it considered unsafe? We live on the boat so we often check for blockages / leaks.

    To be honest I’m not even sure if it’s the original gel coat, will take a closer look and maybe upload some pictures. I’ve not seen any blisters above the waterline, just a few cracks here and there. I don’t really want to spend a lot on a professional spray, I’m not too fussed about a shine, would be happy with old looking matt finish... She just currently looks a bit sad, a dull off white!

    Jay
     
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    Jay Gholami New Member

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    Current ‘fix’ under the rear quarter berth. The ol’ clampy clamp-clamp approach.
     

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    dave_a Dave Ahlers

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    Not glassing PVC didn't stop Morgan from trying. My boat had a 90 deg. hose barb glassed in there. Yes, it leaked. Gobbed it with sealant. My plan to fix it was to remove it, glass the area shut, drill a hole and put a bronze 90 deg. flat mushroom fitting in there. Re-hose all the way to the torpedo tube, which would need to be removed & re caulked at the very least. Glassing in a prefabbed fiberglass tube would be the best way. Big job as Terry said. Access is the issue

    Jay if you're out of the water for just a week, forget painting. Have the hull compounded and waxed. See what you have. You could spend a week (easily) just prepping one side for paint. Like any painting job, the time spent getting the surface ready is what makes the better outcome. Painting's the easy part. (maybe!)
     
  6. stnick

    stnick lee nicholas

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    Google Island Girl Its a clear wax elixor and supper hard wipe on and instant shine 3 years. No buffing no wiping Not Cheep but its a no beainer No work no Buffing ! Good Luck
     

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